POLL: to vintage or not.

[black lightning 1987]

What rear derailleur are you using with the Campagnolo shifters? 8 or 9 speed?

 

[roKWiz]

Hi BL, they are not Campag shifters, they are 8 speed Sachs "New Success" Ergo power shifters modelled on Campag but do not have the odd Campag cog spacin throws, beauty of these is they are totally re-buildable. I use the Goretex "RideOn" cables.

The rear derailleur is a Thermoplastic Sachs Plasma below. The forerunner to Scram X series which I use on the Gen 1 Raven bottom.

While on the Gen 1 Raven, anyone notice the odd modification I did to my Raven. Clue rear suspension !

 

[black lightning 1987]

I have New Success on several road bikes but have never experimented with using other derailleurs. Some folks claim that Shimano RDs work with Sachs shifters. I have read that Campagnolo and Sachs developed the Ergo levers jointly, but that may not be accurate. My guess is that Sachs helped fund the project and that Campagnolo handled the design and production. New Success Ergo levers were produced from 1993 (possibly 1992) through at least 1997. There were other models of Sachs Ergos, such as the red painted 7000 group. The New Success hubs are great too. One of my favorite component groups of the 1990s.

 

[roKWiz]

Yes Sachs works with Shimano stuff and the older Suntour XC Pro RD.
By tweaking the upper and lower pulley (Jockey) wheels to float more they will work great. Campag was always a problem getting it to work properly, the shifting throws are slightly different.
You can even get Sachs ergo power levers to pull more cable for V type cantilever brakes.

Funny thing is, I still buy new Sachs components, unfortunately not for bicycles but a 44 year old Kenworth truck. They make great twin disc clutches, clutch brakes and shock absorbers.

 

[black lightning 1987]

I think of Sachs as a company primarily involved in small engine related stuff. Now that you mention it I believe that I have seen Sachs branded clutches for 5.9 L Cummins engines. I wish they had not abandoned the bike parts area. Even though made by several different companies, the Sachs branded parts were very high quality.

 

[Len]

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While on the Gen 1 Raven, anyone notice the odd modification I did to my Raven. Clue rear suspension !

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New shock on your Gen 1 Raven? I have the sister bike to your Raven. It's posted a page back.

 

[FPrue1304]

I don't search/buy vintage, but I enjoy the craftwork and the satisfaction of building/repairing/restoring my bikes for a hobby - regardless whether new or old. Having that said, I kept two older Cannondales (CAAD9 and SM400 of 1991), because these were great bikes and there is still some use for them.

Then I have a Slate of 2017 which is great fun for its versatility. You join group rides @20+ mph or you cover dust roads or even embark on a single trail and the Lefty fork allows for quite some speed off road. I would say, with the Slate I cover the equal off-road range that I used to on the SM400. That is progress in my view.

My primary training bike is a 2019 Specialised Tarmac S-Works that I build up myself.

I am now modernising the CAAD9 and I am thrilled to see how it will hold up against the Tarmac.

 

[FPrue1304]

I think of Sachs as a company primarily involved in small engine related stuff. Now that you mention it I believe that I have seen Sachs branded clutches for 5.9 L Cummins engines. I wish they had not abandoned the bike parts area. Even though made by several different companies, the Sachs branded parts were very high quality.

Didn't the bicycle division get acquired by SRAM?

 

[black lightning 1987]

Didn't the bicycle division get acquired by SRAM?

Yes. Unfortunately they ceased production of parts at the European factories within a few years of acquiring the company.

 

[MEENI]

A bit off topic but realy wanted to share this find with you
No cannondale but in europe an iconic bike
Koga Miyata Ridge Runner Alloy 1990
Firts atb worldchapionship was won on this one
I had never seen one in real life and couldnot pass on the opportunity
It is in ruff shape but no dents or cracks
Original tange switchblade is stil on
I have all the parts to build it up in org. Spec

Prevous owner (from new) put in a seatpost 27.2 and it got stuck

 

[black lightning 1987]

Interesting frame. Have you ridden it yet? What is the tab on top of the top tube used for?

 

[MEENI]

No did not ride it yet, but i expect a rigid/ruff ride
I heared form the guy i bought it from that it corners realy good
A lot of people liked the tange switchblade in those days. It was also available as an extreme expensive upgrade on some other atb,s
The Tab is for the dropper spring
It is in pretty bad shape so will take it all appart.