Color Code, Info Needed

[Kenright73]

I will be picking up my 2nd 1987 Team Comp frameset soon, this one painted "Slate" to complement my Mint Green 7400-equipped custom build bike, aka "CindeRelic".

Does anyone know who made the paint used during this time, or what the color code would be? Or possibly point me in the right direction?

Thank you, Ken

 

[black lightning 1987]

There are some paint codes listed here but I don't remember if any go back that far:

Vintage Cannondale – Restoration, Colors, Guides | VintageCannondale.com

vintagecannondale.com

If you're going to repaint, I think it might be simpler to go through paint chips at a paint shop and pick something that's close.

 

[Kenright73]

There are some paint codes listed here but I don't remember if any go back that far:

Vintage Cannondale – Restoration, Colors, Guides | VintageCannondale.com

vintagecannondale.com

If you're going to repaint, I think it might be simpler to go through paint chips at a paint shop and pick something that's close.

That seems like the best option. Thanks!

On the plus side, I found and secured a mostly NOS Sante 7 speed group with the freehub option. The white and grey should compliment the slate and pink quite nicely!

 

[black lightning 1987]

Been a long time since I saw NOS Sante. I don't have many Shimano catalogs but I'm guessing that Sante was only made for two years. I'm guessing it was 6 speed with a freewheel hub in 1987 and came with a 7 speed freehub in 1988.

 

[Kenright73]

Been a long time since I saw NOS Sante. I don't have many Shimano catalogs but I'm guessing that Sante was only made for two years. I'm guessing it was 6 speed with a freewheel hub in 1987 and came with a 7 speed freehub in 1988.

Same here, ever since I got my 1st Cannondale in 1988 and the catalog for that year. The SR1000, I fell in love with that frame color and groupset!!!

You're right; 2 years only. For some reason I thought the first year was freewheel, but I was wrong. In eBay people are throwing the word freewheel around when it's really a cassette; I should've looked at pics, which clearly show a cassette.

So both years freehub; 6sp in 87 and 7sp in 88.

It looks a bit darker here than in reality. Throw a touch of green into the mix

 

[black lightning 1987]

I was just guessing about 1987 Sante. According to the Cannondale catalog, Dura Ace was still using a freewheel in 1987, so assumed Sante would be the same. Perhaps the term "cassette" hadn't come into use yet and DA actually had a freehub.

 

[JohnnyD]

I can't add much to this discussion, but after looking at the Sante down tube shifters.. WOW, those are super nice looking. Interesting that it was on the Sante that Shimano introduced the 7 speed SIS, not Dura-Ace or the first Ultegra groupsets that were out at the time. Crazy.

 

[Kenright73]

I can't add much to this discussion, but after looking at the Sante down tube shifters.. WOW, those are super nice looking. Interesting that it was on the Sante that Shimano introduced the 7 speed SIS, not Dura-Ace or the first Ultegra groupsets that were out at the time. Crazy.

While I wait for the groupset to arrive from Spain, here's a teaser of the actual shifters I'll have soon. And the rest of the group.

 

[JohnnyD]

While I wait for the groupset to arrive from Spain, here's a teaser of the actual shifters I'll have soon. And the rest of the group.

That is stunning looking .. and going to make a LOT of people jealous once it's installed on the bike. Me included.

 

[black lightning 1987]

I can't add much to this discussion, but after looking at the Sante down tube shifters.. WOW, those are super nice looking. Interesting that it was on the Sante that Shimano introduced the 7 speed SIS, not Dura-Ace or the first Ultegra groupsets that were out at the time. Crazy.

That's surprising. I thought that DA always got the innovations first. DA was 7 speed SIS in 1987 according to the Cannondale catalog. So DA must have been the first Shimano 7 speed indexed group, or equal first with Sante. There was no Sante equipped Cannondale in 1987 so it makes the two groups hard to compare. Ultegra didn't come out until the 1988 model year. It does appear from the catalog that 1988 Sante and Ultegra had the freehub, while DA seems to have had a freewheel. I'm wondering if it could have been lighter than the early freehub/cassette setups. I know a guy in Boulder that still prefers the DA freewheels to anything else, and his bikes are otherwise Campagnolo equipped.

 

[Kenright73]

Am I correct in stating that the initial freehubs were Uniglide, and 7sp only, not compatible with the 8 speed cassettes which I'm guessing we're Hyperglide?? Basically I'd love to run 8 speed, but unless a DA 8 speed cassette fits on a Sante freehub, I'm outta luck.

Or I might not be. Researching, I have found that I should be able to swap freehub bodies; specifically a 7403 8sp body and it should (operative word here) mount up to the Sante freehub. I guess I'm going back to friction shifting; I actually switched for months at a time when I bought my first 'dale in 88.

 

[black lightning 1987]

Am I correct in stating that the initial freehubs were Uniglide, and 7sp only, not compatible with the 8 speed cassettes which I'm guessing we're Hyperglide?? Basically I'd love to run 8 speed, but unless a DA 8 speed cassette fits on a Sante freehub, I'm outta luck.

Or I might not be. Researching, I have found that I should be able to swap freehub bodies; specifically a 7403 8sp body and it should (operative word here) mount up to the Sante freehub. I guess I'm going back to friction shifting; I actually switched for months at a time when I bought my first 'dale in 88.

I'm not sure about the freehub swap. I'd guess that the Sante hub was 126 mm spaced, so you might need a longer axle to swap to an 8 speed freehub. I have NOS 7 and 8 speed DA Uniglide cassettes somewhere but I think they have kind of odd tooth counts, possibly 13-19. Also have a bunch of odd Uniglide loose cogs that could be used to build various combinations, but some are black, some brown, some silver. I think you can put Hyperglide cogs on a Uniglide hub if you do a bit of filing on the cogs. I think you just have to widen out the one narrow notch in the HG cogs. You will have to use the threaded Uniglide small cog though.
Are you going to use friction shifting even if staying with 7 speed?

 

[Kenright73]

I'm not sure about the freehub swap. I'd guess that the Sante hub was 126 mm spaced, so you might need a longer axle to swap to an 8 speed freehub. I have NOS 7 and 8 speed DA Uniglide cassettes somewhere but I think they have kind of odd tooth counts, possibly 13-19. Also have a bunch of odd Uniglide loose cogs that could be used to build various combinations, but some are black, some brown, some silver. I think you can put Hyperglide cogs on a Uniglide hub if you do a bit of filing on the cogs. I think you just have to widen out the one narrow notch in the HG cogs. You will have to use the threaded Uniglide small cog though.
Are you going to use friction shifting even if staying with 7 speed?

We will definitely talk!! If I do stay 7sp stock, then index will be daily and I'll switch to friction when just having fun...or when I get bored lol. But for some reason, 8 speed just feels right, so I'll probably go in that direction. And since I'd like to keep as much Sante present on the bike, then friction will be the order of the day. I'm going to build the slate Team Comp in a time trial / triathlon configuration. I have a collection of vintage aerobars to choose from; whichever one I go with will have the shifters mounted on the bars; "SwiftShift" style.